Bael Thazor
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Posted - 2008.06.09 10:49:00 -
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While I think everyone, CSM included, would agree that the discussion left a lot to be desired, I think it's a bit of a misnomer to claim that any 'kicking' has taken place in this instance.
As evidenced by the chat log, for those who don't have the patience to read it all, Jade Constantine did indeed block Inanna Zule, in fact on three separate occasions:
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[ 2008.06.08 21:36:58 ]EVE System >Inanna Zuni was muted by Jade Constantine., Effective until 2008.06.08 22:06:57, Reason: "till the vote".
[ 2008.06.08 21:40:29 ]EVE System >Inanna Zuni was muted by Jade Constantine., Effective until 2008.06.08 21:10:28.
[ 2008.06.08 21:44:06 ]EVE System >Inanna Zuni was muted by Jade Constantine., Effective until 2008.06.08 21:14:05.
However, there is no record in the chatlog of Inanna being kicked from the channel. We thus have two explanations for why Inanna left the channel at some point between 21:36 and 21:47: that Jade, or another player with moderator priveleges, removed them (which is the theory everyone seems to be assuming) or that Inanna, by design or accident, left the channel on their own.
There is evidence in the logs to suggest that the former is doubtful, other than Jade's own protestations of innocence:
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[ 2008.06.08 21:47:27 ]Dierdra Vaal >she isnt on the blocked list
[ 2008.06.08 21:47:44 ]Dierdra Vaal >not on the muted list either
[ 2008.06.08 21:49:10 ]Dierdra Vaal >inanna, I didnt see you on the blocked list tbh
[ 2008.06.08 22:01:08 ]Ankhesentapemkah >Err the chat clearly said in red letters that jade muted Inanna, but nothing indicated Inanna was kicked or blocked or anything like that.
Getting over the indignation of some of the CSM representatives at Jade's actions for the moment, I think we're best served by following the advice of Bane:
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[ 2008.06.08 21:54:47 ]Bane Glorious >we could ask CCP if she was kicked or blocked
[ 2008.06.08 21:54:52 ]Bane Glorious >they have the ability to check
So rather than stirring up any more accusations, it seems appropriate to let the devs look into the chat logs and see if any discretion on the part of Jade has taken place. While I'm not intimate with CSM procedure (as, apparently, no one is) if the chairman did indeed kick Inanna from the channel, some sort of review should place to ensure that such powers cannot be abused in the future. On the other hand, if Inanna left the channel through other means, and was merely muted so the vote could take place, the issue seems less severe.
The concept of a chairman being able to terminate unwanted discussion at a whim runs counter to the principle of a democratically elected body, and I implore the CSM to remove moderator privileges from all members of the quorum to ensure an incident such as this is not repeated.
Having said all that, the meeting seemed to run quite smoothly save for the debate over the role of abstaining. Issues that were brought up on these forums were discussed, the merit of some suggestions was carefully reviewed, and the entire process was completely transparent to the regular observer. The CSM should see these early disagreements and disputes as a learning experience, and move on. A great deal of player interest is vested within them. |